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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Marvin can you weigh-in on the little bitch. Is she indeed a little bitch?

  I'm not sure who you're asking me to comment on. Is it the bikini clad gal who failed to follow reasonable instruction over and over again to leave, and then when she did basically leave turned around and started walking right back to where she had been told to leave from? I think she's a misguided, self-centered brat who, probably for the first time in her life, met the cold hard reality that actions bring consequences and that police officers are not her babysitters.

  Can you weigh in on the adult woman punching the child in the head when she wasn't involved in the fight instead of just pulling the big gal off the little gal like the two boys did?

  I don't know what you're talking about. My observations in this discussion have been about the absolute sorry state of unruliness that we expect our police officers to intervene in, restore order and protect safety. If you're talking about the video of a fight that occurred prior to the police I haven't given it a lot of attention. I watched it a couple times and came away with the same impression each time, that it's just another incident of people not being able to contain themselves when they have only themselves to supervise. When these things happen my view is that both sides carry culpability, though perhaps not equal culpability. Fights like this are stupid. I have no idea who started what and don't really care.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Police officers are not baby sitters. They are called to a scene like this to intervene, restore order and protect public safety.

  In this incident police were called to a scene, and then more police were called to the scene, and then more police were called to the scene. This could easily have escalated and folks could have been seriously injured, not because of police but because of why the police were called, and then more called, and then more called for after that. I don't think most here have the foggiest idea what it is like to be essentially parachuted in to a scene where you're surrounded by folks that include some obnoxious self-centered individuals, reported violence, and with no idea who's packing a weapon. Oh, and their job is to restore order and protect life.

  Then we have a gal prancing around, being mouthy, failing repeatedly to follow the simplest of instruction to leave, then when she does basically leave she TURNS AROUND and starts walking right back! And it does not stop there. Now the officer she's defying attempts to detain her and what does she do? She resists. She does not sit down on her own. She does not roll over face down on her own. No. This poor gal had never been taught that in real life SHE is not the center of the universe and actions will have consequences.

  What I saw in the McKinney pool party video is a clash of expectations. Police expected to have reasonable instructions obeyed. Teenage brats expected the police to respond just like their parents when reasonable instructions are disobeyed; nothing. The teenagers were wrong. The police are not their baby sitters like momma and daddy are. Parents of the unruly children should be holding their heads in shame, but more than likely will be interviewing lawyers to see which one can garner the biggest payday for them.

  I think every police officer on that scene deserves a commendation, if for no other reason being willing to respond to sorry crap like this when we call them. Children of these police officers should hold their heads high, knowing their parents are willing to step up when called to do so. Oh, and it's not for a whole lot of money either that they do this.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  By the way do you and Martin also consider the young 14 year old a THUG/CRIMINAL/ASSHOLE?

  
  Oh. Great. Another assertion in need of proof.

  
  And, in case you're interested in my view, anyone who is an asshole and breaks the law should expect to be treated badly by police as a law breaking asshole.
  
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
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  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Marvin, I click your name and boom.

  Sorry. That does not prove your assertion of me true.

  My posting history is there for anyone who wants to read it. But your assertion of me that I asked you to prove true is not about my posting history. Right?

  Are you content to keep up your attempt at moving the goal post?
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
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  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  I can make any assertion I want. YOU can't do anything about.

  Of course you can make any assertion you want. Oh, and I can do something about it. I can ask that you prove your assertion true. I've done that in this discussion with one of your assertions. You could not prove your assertion true. So you made up some obfuscation instead.

  Why not lash out at some of the assertions that people made in this thread? Because if you did you would be warring with daddy. You don't want that.

  I don't know exactly who or what you're talking about, perhaps Simon. I don't know. In various ways in this discussion I have asked various participants to evidence claims they've made. Some have ponied up and some have not been able to. In most cases things boil down to disagreement about how different participants perceive behaviors at issue in the McKinney incident, and I'm completely okay with that and take no exception to it. But then we have someone like you that takes it upon himself to lay a specific accusation onto someone (me in this case) that is patently false and when asked to prove it and finding you can't you spew ad hominem. I hope it makes you feel better, but it is nonsense nevertheless.

  As for Simon, he and I are not exactly buddies. When we disagree I don't hold back my view. Does that align with your latest innuendo of my person? Maybe you should do a little more research on that one.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
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  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  COPS is a horrible basis to use for anything.

  Not when it contradicts the very thing suggested in full living color. Otherwise I wholly agree with you. Perhaps the person who said what they said should have spoken more precisely.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Marvin, let me restate that. You started this thread with the hopes it would go where you wanted it to go. The other two people just took it there. That is your Mode of Operation.

  That is the kind of complete nonsense I hate in Watchtower and when I see it in others I call them out for it too!

  I started this thread to have a decent adult discussion of a current news item. I did not start this thread to suggest anything about race. But then you come along and sling an accusation on my person asserting that I brought a racial element into this.

  So what do you do when asked to prove what you say? You make up crap like the above suggesting, basically, NOTHING, except a negative innuendo of a supposed MO. People who make assertions have a burden to prove those assertions true, not to spew ambiguity and innuendo.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  If the race roles were reversed and there was a 200 lb. black cop with both his knees in the back of "lil Becky Sue" you guys would be screaming bloody murder for his arrest and crooning incessantly about how unprofessional his actions were.

  On occasion I've watched a television reality show titled Cops. To me this is one of true reality shows.

  Here's what I saw repeatedly:

  People of every race and gender who acted badly met stiff confrontation from responding law enforcement personnel. I've seen it happen to white and black "Becky Sues". If you behave badly and act contrary to reasonable instructions from the police the likely outcome is getting handcuffed at least. If you don't immediately comply to the handcuffing then force will be met with force until you're the one with the knee in your back. I finally stopped watching the show because it was the same scene over and over again, no matter the city, no matter the race and no matter the gender.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  YOU and two others made this THREAD a race-based thread.

  There you go again. Please show me where I've raised race as an element of this incident. Can you do that?
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Do you realize that you and violas and Marvin are the only ones for the first 4 pages who brought the racial elementinto this?

  Please show me where I raised race as an element. Can you do that?